1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,510 [Music] 2 00:00:08,710 --> 00:00:06,869 there's a whole fleet of them look on 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:08,720 the assay 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,960 oh my gosh they're all going against the 5 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 6 00:00:22,780 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 7 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:22,790 were touching outside of a sphere 8 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:34,530 [Music] 9 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:37,200 [Applause] 10 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 11 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:40,960 limited to the united states it's a 12 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:47,910 that ufo podcast is powered by zen 13 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:50,079 caster zencaster is one of the world's 14 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:51,760 leading platforms for recording and 15 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:54,399 hosting podcasts the open beta strives 16 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:56,160 to put the power of studio quality 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00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:33,920 introduce the podcast over you then and 32 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,600 pretend that i've gotten used to it how 33 00:01:40,469 --> 00:01:37,520 are you man it's been a little bit 34 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:40,479 yeah i am i am all right i am far from 35 00:01:43,350 --> 00:01:41,600 100 36 00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:43,360 and we've been catching up beforehand 37 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:45,360 here which is which has been good um 38 00:01:49,670 --> 00:01:47,439 thank you to everyone who's got in touch 39 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:49,680 on different mediums and social medias 40 00:01:52,710 --> 00:01:51,119 and emails and all that kind of stuff 41 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:52,720 it's it's been really nice hearing from 42 00:01:57,670 --> 00:01:55,840 people um and yeah i'm i'm doing all 43 00:02:01,030 --> 00:01:57,680 right i had covered for for those who 44 00:02:03,429 --> 00:02:01,040 didn't see i had i still have um i'm 45 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:03,439 over the worst of it i'd say that much 46 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:05,920 my wife tested positive today as we 47 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:08,560 record this so she is devastated given 48 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:09,520 it's 49 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:10,879 got a couple of weeks before christmas 50 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:12,560 we had a lot of stuff planned and again 51 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,800 it knocks all that for a loop so 52 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:16,560 so yeah but i mean after today my 53 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:18,720 isolation period is up as well and i'm 54 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:21,200 just getting back to fighting fit so um 55 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:22,959 having not recorded for what seems like 56 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:24,800 an eternity when it's not actually that 57 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:28,080 long uh i wanted to just a weed 58 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:29,599 yes do you know what it's been a week 59 00:02:34,869 --> 00:02:32,480 and here's the story folks um as we 60 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:34,879 record this it's the 8th 8th of december 61 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:36,640 okay and it won't be too long a podcast 62 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:38,000 because like i say i think i've got so 63 00:02:42,790 --> 00:02:40,560 long of energy and then i'll be crashing 64 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:42,800 but on um on the monday the 29th 65 00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:44,480 november i wasn't feeling great but i 66 00:02:48,869 --> 00:02:45,920 was i was all right i was still working 67 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,879 and stuff and um as the week went on i 68 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,640 just started feeling generally a little 69 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:53,040 bit worse and then on tuesday the 30th 70 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:54,959 of november we were on with vinnie from 71 00:02:58,710 --> 00:02:56,319 disclosure team 72 00:03:01,110 --> 00:02:58,720 and i coughed once or twice on that 73 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:01,120 podcast but not not bad like you guys 74 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:02,480 joked about me 75 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:04,319 expertly muting there 76 00:03:08,949 --> 00:03:06,640 yeah perfect timing yeah so no one would 77 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:08,959 have heard it um and right at the very 78 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,840 end i as soon as we finished i had a 79 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:13,920 massive coughing fit to the point dan 80 00:03:18,309 --> 00:03:15,920 and vinnie were asking was that okay my 81 00:03:20,309 --> 00:03:18,319 eyes were watering and everything and uh 82 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:20,319 i was like yeah yeah yeah just kind of a 83 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:21,840 bit of a cold 84 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:23,440 and then the next day or sorry on the 85 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:25,200 thursday actually it was thursday 86 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,040 lunchtime i i took a test it was 87 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:29,280 positive and kind of went downhill quite 88 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:31,200 quick from there to be honest so 89 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:33,120 back to a point i think uh i want to 90 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:34,720 discuss some of the news because i've 91 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:37,120 been keeping an eye on social media 92 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:38,879 far from anywhere near as active as i 93 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:40,640 normally am and i'm sure that'll get 94 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:42,799 back to that maybe next week by the the 95 00:03:46,949 --> 00:03:45,680 time i'm back to to being fighting fit 96 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:46,959 but uh yeah there was there was some 97 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:48,400 breaking news then and a few other 98 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:50,400 things i wanted to try and discuss and 99 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:51,680 and get one of these out there just to 100 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:53,680 kind of to do about chatting again on on 101 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:55,040 the news because there has been some 102 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:56,959 interesting news hasn't there there has 103 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:58,000 yeah 104 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:01,200 um 105 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:03,040 so listen uh dan 106 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:05,200 first thing i wanted to do this last 107 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:06,640 week actually uh we were chatting 108 00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:08,879 privately weren't we and the gillibrand 109 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:10,959 amendment and it's probably the case 110 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,480 that when we're seeing the 111 00:04:16,069 --> 00:04:14,640 the gila brand amendment we're getting 112 00:04:18,469 --> 00:04:16,079 that wrong and using that wrong aren't 113 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:18,479 we because there are several gillibrand 114 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:19,919 amendments 115 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:23,600 and yeah exactly attached to the ndaa uh 116 00:04:28,469 --> 00:04:26,720 there are over a thousand amendments um 117 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,479 so when we're talking to sentences and 118 00:04:31,990 --> 00:04:30,400 stuff like that we should be specific 119 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:32,000 but the trouble with that is that these 120 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:34,320 bill numbers are always changing uh so 121 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:37,040 yeah uh doug dean johnson uh suggested 122 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:40,560 that we all use the gilbran rubio yeah 123 00:04:47,590 --> 00:04:45,830 i think it's gallego um 124 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:47,600 so yeah that we use those three names to 125 00:04:51,189 --> 00:04:48,720 define it 126 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:51,199 so the grg amendment will say yeah 127 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:52,320 that's it and it's trying to get 128 00:04:54,790 --> 00:04:53,600 something that people are aware of 129 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,800 immediately obviously if you're on 130 00:04:58,070 --> 00:04:56,320 social media talking about the gila 131 00:05:00,710 --> 00:04:58,080 brand amendment it's more than likely 132 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,720 going to be with the ufo uap stuff but 133 00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:02,400 there are quite a few serious amendments 134 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:04,479 in there and it was brought up as as 135 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:05,840 some of the listeners and other folks 136 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:07,840 online had mentioned this to various 137 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:09,840 politicians and senators over in the 138 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:13,280 states and they were talking about 139 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:15,759 the the gillibrand amendment but they 140 00:05:18,469 --> 00:05:17,039 they could have been referencing some 141 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:18,479 other stuff one of them is quite a 142 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:20,560 serious i believe like sexual assault 143 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:23,199 amendment isn't it yeah again that's 144 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:24,479 that's really serious and that's going 145 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:26,800 to have a big part in that bill but in 146 00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:28,800 this huge bill there's loads of stuff 147 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:30,639 lumped in there our interest is 148 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:33,120 obviously the the ufo aspect of it as 149 00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:34,960 well so just for anyone who's seen any 150 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:36,560 debate or discussion online about that 151 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:38,080 it's worth pointing out there are 152 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:40,800 several gillibrand amendments and the 153 00:05:44,150 --> 00:05:42,720 one we're interested in of course is the 154 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:44,160 the ufo stuff but there's some very 155 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:45,680 worthy ones in there of course like i've 156 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:48,000 just just mentioned so but politically 157 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,080 that's that's how we're gonna focus 158 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:52,400 so dan what was the update because as 159 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:53,840 we've got we've got this i'm in we've 160 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:56,160 got this bill which is a defense act 161 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:58,160 bill where loads of different things are 162 00:06:03,270 --> 00:06:00,960 lumped in for funding discussion being 163 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:03,280 brought to law all that sort of stuff 164 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,880 and being put on the table for the first 165 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:06,560 time people things being put on the 166 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:08,720 table for you know multiple times trying 167 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:10,880 to get them through because of the the 168 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,759 new 169 00:06:15,670 --> 00:06:13,360 um 170 00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:15,680 no what would you call it uh i'm taking 171 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:17,360 a covered moment here 172 00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:18,479 the 173 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:22,639 regime 174 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:25,360 biden kamala harris what are they called 175 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:27,680 the new administration that's the one 176 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:28,800 there we go 177 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:30,560 i'm leaving that in fox apologies that 178 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:31,680 this 179 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:33,840 brain fog yeah so the new administration 180 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:35,280 so things that maybe never got through 181 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:37,280 before could potentially be tabled and 182 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:39,039 all that kind of stuff okay we're not 183 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:40,800 experts on this but that's that's the 184 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:43,759 deal with these bills as part of that we 185 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:46,000 were very excited to see that uh there 186 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:46,960 was a 187 00:06:50,950 --> 00:06:48,400 a bit for us 188 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:50,960 on ufos on new aps and there was some 189 00:06:55,189 --> 00:06:52,479 tasty language in there that we've been 190 00:06:56,629 --> 00:06:55,199 excited about and it's been going 191 00:06:58,150 --> 00:06:56,639 through the motions 192 00:06:59,830 --> 00:06:58,160 there's been some chat online where 193 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:59,840 people have jumped the gun a little bit 194 00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:01,360 and this is something i've had explained 195 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,360 to me where folks are saying oh today's 196 00:07:07,589 --> 00:07:05,440 the day it's all going to get passed and 197 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:07,599 it's not really likely to happen like 198 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:09,680 that dan was it that it was just all of 199 00:07:13,029 --> 00:07:11,840 a sudden we were going to wake up and 200 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:13,039 everything had passed and it was all 201 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:15,120 there there's still a lot of work to do 202 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:17,360 and there's still processes and steps 203 00:07:20,230 --> 00:07:19,120 for this to go through is that right 204 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,240 yeah 100 205 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:22,800 um the usual thing you know i i like my 206 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:24,800 train track analogies for this the 207 00:07:29,430 --> 00:07:26,479 basically one train track got to the 208 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:29,440 point that it was a waiting review 209 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:31,120 to go to the president whereas the other 210 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:34,240 train track kind of stalled a station um 211 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:35,599 and someone at the station complained 212 00:07:39,749 --> 00:07:37,199 that it didn't have certain luggage so 213 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:39,759 they had to approve something that that 214 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:42,720 person did like and send it back through 215 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:44,560 congress for it to come through again 216 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:47,039 what we've seen today is that 217 00:07:52,469 --> 00:07:49,280 bill s1605 218 00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:52,479 um which is the ndaa be approved by the 219 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:57,039 house or congress uh 363 to 70. um 220 00:08:00,070 --> 00:07:58,479 and now that'll go back to the center 221 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:00,080 but it's kind of pre-approved there 222 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:02,720 might be a few small changes but we're 223 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:04,160 not going to see any massive changes 224 00:08:09,430 --> 00:08:06,240 there after that point 225 00:08:11,589 --> 00:08:09,440 that's when it goes to biden to sign um 226 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:11,599 if you remember the point where 227 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:13,120 you know the media reported that the 228 00:08:17,189 --> 00:08:14,960 covert bill contains uap language and 229 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:17,199 it's getting signed that's kind of 230 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:19,440 almost where we're at now um we're just 231 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:23,440 waiting for that that moment to come um 232 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:24,560 would you like me to tell you what's in 233 00:08:29,189 --> 00:08:27,120 the bill before that let's clear up 234 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:29,199 because again having been 235 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:31,919 have had the down time i've had now for 236 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:33,919 just just about a week 237 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:38,320 we had the a oh i msg oh that's right 238 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,440 how is that affected with this now 239 00:08:45,990 --> 00:08:43,919 progressing as it is 240 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:46,000 so in a nutshell 241 00:08:50,310 --> 00:08:48,640 it's not you know at the moment that's a 242 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:50,320 that's a separate office that was 243 00:08:55,509 --> 00:08:53,120 announced by you know the the dod there 244 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:55,519 and when it was announced everyone 245 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:58,160 thought that the timing was suspect uh 246 00:09:01,190 --> 00:09:00,000 that it was kind of you know announced 247 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:01,200 the derail but then there was some 248 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:02,480 argument as well that they were just 249 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:04,560 fulfilling what they've been asked to do 250 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:05,760 anyway 251 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:07,200 in another letter 252 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:09,360 but that's set up and that's going that 253 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:11,680 has replaced the uaptf 254 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:14,080 so that's what the the dod's efforts now 255 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:14,959 called 256 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:16,560 this new bill that's just passed is 257 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:18,959 still calling for a new office the name 258 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:21,839 astro is gone from the language um as is 259 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:23,680 the committee that interfaces with the 260 00:09:29,190 --> 00:09:25,440 public where they were specifying that 261 00:09:31,269 --> 00:09:29,200 it would have members from a project uh 262 00:09:32,550 --> 00:09:31,279 galileo and things like that 263 00:09:35,590 --> 00:09:32,560 that is gone 264 00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:35,600 but apparently that was dropped by the 265 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:36,399 actual 266 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:38,959 you know negotiators um 267 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:41,600 because they saw some risk in in terms 268 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:43,600 of handling classified materials and 269 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:45,680 things like that um 270 00:09:50,550 --> 00:09:48,000 so while that's gone i would say that 271 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:50,560 the the head of the new organization has 272 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:51,920 been instructed to come up with a 273 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:54,000 science plan and that science plan could 274 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:56,480 go on to include an executive committee 275 00:10:00,070 --> 00:09:58,160 so it's not 276 00:10:02,389 --> 00:10:00,080 while it's not in the language it's not 277 00:10:04,069 --> 00:10:02,399 a huge loss because the the head of the 278 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,079 office gets to decide if something like 279 00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:06,640 that would be needed going forward 280 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:08,480 and dan i was going to mention we are 281 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:10,800 we're in a chat with some people who are 282 00:10:15,190 --> 00:10:13,040 involved at that sort of level um you 283 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:15,200 can put two and two together and it was 284 00:10:18,790 --> 00:10:17,440 fair to say that we've had people 285 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:18,800 who know what they're talking about in 286 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:20,640 terms of all of what's going on let's 287 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:22,640 just say that who are telling us that 288 00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:24,560 you know let's not focus on what's not 289 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:27,040 in it it's what's what's in there right 290 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:29,040 now is really important anything that's 291 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:31,200 been lost people shouldn't really worry 292 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:33,120 about in that sense that we've got 293 00:10:37,030 --> 00:10:34,800 something really solid to work on from 294 00:10:38,949 --> 00:10:37,040 this haven't we yeah 100 295 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:38,959 this is a hell of a solid flaw to go 296 00:10:43,509 --> 00:10:40,959 from a lot of things that 297 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:43,519 they couldn't and i say they the the 298 00:10:47,110 --> 00:10:45,360 supposed secret keepers or the you know 299 00:10:49,509 --> 00:10:47,120 the dod the military apparatus that were 300 00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:49,519 hiding this air force um 301 00:10:52,389 --> 00:10:50,800 a lot of things that they would keep in 302 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:52,399 secret there 303 00:10:55,670 --> 00:10:54,000 there was no real 304 00:10:57,829 --> 00:10:55,680 law that said they had to give up stuff 305 00:10:59,110 --> 00:10:57,839 to do with ufos you know even if we knew 306 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:59,120 they were fibbing yeah it was their 307 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:00,160 prerogative they could make it 308 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:03,040 classified if they wanted to um now in 309 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:06,399 this language it's basically saying for 310 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:08,720 everyone to immediately give up their 311 00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:12,320 data um and that in every report and 312 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:15,040 we'll be getting a report semi-annually 313 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:17,360 and annually so this is awesome every 314 00:11:21,670 --> 00:11:19,760 six months every 12 months um 315 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:21,680 can i just can i just bring up 316 00:11:24,389 --> 00:11:23,040 one of the listeners last night when i 317 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:24,399 was going through twitter i can't 318 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:26,399 remember who it was sorry had mentioned 319 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:29,279 that biannual um would be every two 320 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:31,920 years and i i thought again was it just 321 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:33,680 a covered moment going i thought 322 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:36,000 biannual men twice a year but then i 323 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:37,760 looked it up and it actually means both 324 00:11:42,389 --> 00:11:40,560 so by annually i mean every two years 325 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:42,399 also twice a year and that was like at 326 00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:44,160 this moment with the term bi-weekly as 327 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:45,839 well before i was like wait a second i 328 00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:47,760 need clarification yeah it means both 329 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:49,440 it's in that same position as the word 330 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:51,040 literally and figuratively in the 331 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:52,959 dictionary now they mean each other and 332 00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:54,160 it's yeah 333 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:55,519 but yeah so that was that so when people 334 00:11:59,829 --> 00:11:57,920 see the biannual i mean i think biannual 335 00:12:02,069 --> 00:11:59,839 you would almost always think it's twice 336 00:12:03,350 --> 00:12:02,079 a year like 337 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:03,360 is that fair to say that if you saw 338 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:05,200 something was biannual or bi-weekly it 339 00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:06,720 would be twice a week or twice a year 340 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:08,639 not every two weeks but that's the way i 341 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:11,040 would go they they do include kind of 342 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:13,360 numbers they say the first report within 343 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:15,920 180 days within 90 days so 344 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:17,600 i i would say that it means you know 345 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:19,040 every six months every 12 months we're 346 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:21,360 going to be getting a report um but in 347 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:23,040 the reports 348 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:25,680 they are asked to basically include 349 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:28,320 or to specify everyone who's not playing 350 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:29,760 ball with them 351 00:12:32,949 --> 00:12:31,040 so 352 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:32,959 the committees that are holding all of 353 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:34,720 these people to account and now we're 354 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:36,079 talking the sector if we're talking the 355 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,600 dni we're talking the committing on 356 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:38,880 armed services of house of 357 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:40,240 representatives 358 00:12:45,269 --> 00:12:43,200 the appropriations committee uh foreign 359 00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:45,279 affairs um the permanent select 360 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:47,680 committee basically if they don't give 361 00:12:51,910 --> 00:12:50,160 up this data to these committees these 362 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:51,920 committees can actually hold them to 363 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:54,240 account and these committees give them 364 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:55,440 their money 365 00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:57,279 so their budget's going to be messed 366 00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:58,720 with and we all know that these 367 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:00,800 institutions do not like their money 368 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:02,000 being messed with and that that's 369 00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:03,760 usually where they start uh you know 370 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:05,519 playing along so we actually have some 371 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:06,720 good leavers 372 00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:09,279 good show now on this there's a mention 373 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:12,399 of international involvement isn't there 374 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:13,920 that's one that i think particularly 375 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:16,560 stands out for myself and yourself and 376 00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,160 and those of us who aren't ingrained 377 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:20,959 within the united states 378 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:23,680 yeah 100 percent so uh the the languages 379 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:25,760 that the reports will include an update 380 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:27,360 on the coordination by the united states 381 00:13:30,949 --> 00:13:29,440 with allies and partners on efforts to 382 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:30,959 track understand and address 383 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:33,440 unidentified aerial phenomena 384 00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,639 so that's going to be really interesting 385 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:36,160 for the uk considering we did the whole 386 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,680 condiment report thing and made some 387 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,600 conclusions that they weren't a threat 388 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:41,760 uh they're gonna want to know how we 389 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:44,320 decided that um and the uk is 390 00:13:47,189 --> 00:13:46,000 notoriously tight-lipped about this 391 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:47,199 stuff uh 392 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:48,880 tim mcmillan even said that it seems 393 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,480 like they're trying to stop other places 394 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:53,040 having the conversation um so yeah it's 395 00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:55,040 gonna be interesting when the usa starts 396 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:56,480 talking to the uk about this and let's 397 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:58,000 not forget there are other allies as 398 00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:59,360 well all around the world this is a 399 00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,760 worldwide issue so we we might start 400 00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,839 hearing from some some countries we 401 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,839 haven't heard from before and start 402 00:14:10,949 --> 00:14:07,920 hearing about some historical 403 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:10,959 interactions maybe because these reports 404 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:13,199 are directed to include 405 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:14,320 events 406 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:17,040 that did not occur within the last 180 407 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:18,720 days um 408 00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:21,519 but weren't reported so this first 409 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:24,800 report could be thick 410 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:25,920 and 411 00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:29,360 is what i like to get cleared up when 412 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,199 we're doing these are we going to get 413 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,079 that same classified reporting and also 414 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,720 declassified reporting where and and i 415 00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,360 get that as a public or any public 416 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:41,199 you're never going to get everything 417 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:42,480 declassified 418 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:44,160 even if you think that we deserve it as 419 00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:45,360 the people and all that kind of stuff it 420 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:47,279 just doesn't happen but are we going to 421 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,760 get reports that as the public we can 422 00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:51,120 access and see 423 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:52,079 yes 424 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:53,760 pretty much exactly like we saw with the 425 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,720 preliminary report um people who had the 426 00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:58,079 clearances they'd be able to see the 427 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:00,880 uncla sorry the classified annex but for 428 00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,040 us we we will see an unclassified 429 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:04,880 version of that report whenever it comes 430 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,040 out which is just fantastic 431 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,600 so i guess you know basically the the 432 00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:11,199 yearly ones we're looking at a deadline 433 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,519 of october 31st so halloween um and then 434 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,720 the biannual ones uh would be halfway in 435 00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:21,040 between basically uh so you can pop 436 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:23,199 those in your calendars if if this uh 437 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:25,680 gets signed by biden i'm hopeful uh but 438 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:27,519 yeah we we have some countdowns to keep 439 00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,480 track of 440 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:31,120 what sort of level of transparency are 441 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:33,360 you expecting then from this like you 442 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:34,720 know 443 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,959 what happens now so next year we get our 444 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,720 first reports what's going to be 445 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,320 happening on that day is it going to be 446 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:42,320 for you a little bit like when the uap 447 00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:44,320 task force report dropped where it's 448 00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,120 going to be the 31st of march and 449 00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:49,519 everyone's online there's a big buzz and 450 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,519 the first report drops and everyone can 451 00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:53,600 kind of get tore into it as we say in 452 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:56,000 the uk or in scotland particularly but 453 00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:57,360 is that what you expect to start 454 00:16:01,509 --> 00:16:00,079 happening yeah exactly well well you 455 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,519 know there's no 456 00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:03,360 i i say there's a deadline for these 457 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,720 reports the reports could come before 458 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:06,480 the deadline uh but we all know there's 459 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,920 a lot of work to be done um so 460 00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:11,600 you know the deadline will probably 461 00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,399 shift as needed but 462 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,399 the the bill basically says that we're 463 00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:19,040 getting four yearly reports for 464 00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:20,000 uh 465 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,639 half yearly reports um until 2026. 466 00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,480 where does this put the calls for 467 00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:28,240 congressional hearings 468 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,639 because does it now separate the 469 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,120 arguments between 470 00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:35,680 the people who want to see 471 00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:37,839 comeuppance and justice for what's 472 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,160 happened over the last 75 years 473 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:42,480 but as we've seen from many people that 474 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,560 for progress is sake we probably have to 475 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:45,839 and we've said this before and again 476 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:48,160 i've shared my app engine in my opinion 477 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:49,600 opinion 478 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,480 we probably have to let that go 479 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,639 right now for progress to be made and 480 00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,320 it's worth our while 481 00:17:01,829 --> 00:17:00,480 putting our eggs in this basket because 482 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,839 we look like we've got some genuine 483 00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,400 progress the initial report so hopefully 484 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,559 give us a tone i would think of what we 485 00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,039 can expect to see going forward and we 486 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,679 would hope those reports are a little 487 00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,760 bit tasty we want to see some some 488 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:15,679 interesting new cases we would hopefully 489 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,839 like to see some some maybe photographic 490 00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,360 evidence although photos and videos are 491 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:21,039 probably unlikely given the 492 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:23,600 classification levels those would have 493 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,480 but 494 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,120 for me that this is exciting enough and 495 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:30,080 i'm not paying for blood of 496 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:31,360 i suppose what i'm asking dan is what 497 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,960 what good at this point then would 498 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:35,120 calling for congressional hearings have 499 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,480 because that's something that i see has 500 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,720 quietened down quite a bit online 501 00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:40,240 i i feel like that's going to come back 502 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:42,799 in the future as as we're kind of you 503 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,440 know we essentially have now a bunch of 504 00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:47,679 people on our side within the law that 505 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:49,840 can go digging for the stuff that would 506 00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:53,360 lead to those hearings um one one of the 507 00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:55,679 kind of 508 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,320 bigger things for me in in here was that 509 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,880 uab is they've directed them to add that 510 00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,799 to the national intelligence priorities 511 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,679 framework so that directive basically 512 00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,600 tells the whole ic 513 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,080 um to follow the the directives like 514 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,080 that's a pretty big deal um 515 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,160 they've yet to decide what priority uap 516 00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,080 will be in there but the fact that it 517 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,559 will be named in that general 518 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:20,240 instruction from you know the 519 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,559 administration is is pretty insane um 520 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,000 as you were talking about the reports 521 00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:27,360 then and kind of what you expect to be 522 00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,000 in them they they actually do specify um 523 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,440 a few things that they want in there 524 00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,440 they don't say you know photos or that 525 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,600 that 23 minute video that we heard lou 526 00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,000 talking about um but i'll just run 527 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:40,080 through them real quick because uh i 528 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,440 think it's worth it 529 00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,120 so we're looking at 530 00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,039 for the annual ones all events from the 531 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,039 last year all events outside that one 532 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:49,120 year period that weren't included 533 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:52,400 analysis from geospatial signals human 534 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,760 and measurement and signature 535 00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:55,200 intelligence which is pretty crisp 536 00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,799 melody language right 537 00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:57,679 um 538 00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,080 and analysis so that one line there is 539 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:05,039 the remit of aoi msg anything outside of 540 00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,160 that 541 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,960 is way beyond the scope of it um 542 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:11,039 identification of threats identification 543 00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,080 of the adversary systems in the data uh 544 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,760 the ally stuff that we already touched 545 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,160 on um an assessment of the health 546 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,160 related effects of uap so that's still 547 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,520 in there the biological language which 548 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,720 is important 549 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,120 update on efforts to capture or exploit 550 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,600 uap that's huge 551 00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,600 that's huge um currently i think it's 552 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,360 just susan goff out there with a with a 553 00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,520 fly net trying to grab him but um you 554 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,360 know hopefully we'll hear a bit about 555 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:37,360 those kind of baiting scenarios and 556 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,480 stuff like that 557 00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,240 um the number of incidents involving 558 00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,039 nuclear assets that ships subs weapons 559 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,919 power plants ctc um you know they're 560 00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,760 looking at that relationship properly 561 00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:49,280 and the 562 00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,720 congress wants to know about it um 563 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,679 and then it's the fact that we're 564 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,480 getting the classified and unclassified 565 00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,799 um there will be a group designated as 566 00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,799 well to be able to address the nuclear 567 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,960 stuff we we've heard lou talk about how 568 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,480 hard it is to have that conversation 569 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:07,120 without revealing some you know real 570 00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,240 specific classified capabilities um so 571 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,320 it looks like they're going to make a 572 00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,880 you know a group or pick a department 573 00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,640 specifically to look into the 574 00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:19,679 relationship between uaps and nukes 575 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,000 then the semi-annual report uh which 576 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:24,240 will be within 90 days of the enactment 577 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:25,440 of this act this will be the first 578 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,200 report that we see basically um 579 00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,280 the the it directs them it says the 580 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:33,039 first briefing will include everything 581 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,679 from the ua ptf or other office so 582 00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,720 they're covering the butts they were 583 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,799 they msg 584 00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,039 again covers everything in the last 180 585 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,159 days uh plus stuff that was left out 586 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,720 this is where they get to specify as 587 00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:48,480 well um 588 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,159 that certain offices aren't sharing data 589 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,400 in this part it 590 00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,840 says that the 591 00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,679 the funds authorized for this pretty 592 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:00,720 much are as much as the leader of this 593 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,159 office sees fit which is kind of amazing 594 00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,240 it includes the transmedium language so 595 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,880 it defines that um transmedium objects 596 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,720 or devices means objective devices that 597 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,240 are absorbed to transit between space 598 00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,400 and the atmosphere so on and so forth 599 00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,799 we're very familiar with those um and 600 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,039 then it defines an identified aerial 601 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:20,880 phenomenon as well so they're being real 602 00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,390 as it failed though we've got to say 603 00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,039 there are still aspects of this bill and 604 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,039 the language of this 605 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,640 bill an amendment 606 00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:33,440 that 607 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,799 is still aimed at the potential for 608 00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,280 foreign adversarial drones and just 609 00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,679 foreign adversarial technology as much 610 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:43,919 as we we attribute a lot of the language 611 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,039 to to ufos spaceships aliens whatever 612 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,360 you want to call it there are aspects of 613 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,120 this that are going to go through 614 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,440 because of what china or russia may have 615 00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,880 and as much as we've said in the past 616 00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:56,559 and chris merlin himself 617 00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,360 mocked china and their space program and 618 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,280 that rocket landed on the road basically 619 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,360 in a rural part of china and saying 620 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,360 they're trying to catch up with us we've 621 00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,880 then just seen a few weeks ago that 622 00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,679 china tested successfully a hypersonic 623 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,120 missile that flew around the planet and 624 00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,400 from what we've seen 625 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,640 the the us intelligence agencies had no 626 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,960 idea they were doing this or had this 627 00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,679 so 628 00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,919 it's it's in one hand yeah they are well 629 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,159 behind but on the other hand oh wow they 630 00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,919 do actually have some pretty incredible 631 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:26,640 technology so it's got to be fair that 632 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,000 some of these events even the 633 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,000 143 that remain unidentified from the 634 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,440 initial reports 635 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,960 we could still probably see a good chunk 636 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,080 of those 637 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,840 may have been something for an 638 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,840 adversarial yeah but that's what they 639 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,520 say they all wear i i think we're going 640 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,440 to see the same kind of decision tree as 641 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,760 we saw with the ua btf and their buckets 642 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,840 of data um you know they'll go through 643 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,440 them all stuff that falls into the drone 644 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,360 basket will go in there and and you're 645 00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,799 right to point out as well because i 646 00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,159 think there's in the community there's a 647 00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,919 split it's drones or it's not it's uap 648 00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,200 or it's not 649 00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,799 there's a venn diagram of those two 650 00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,720 things we've got to remember when when 651 00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,159 these systems are looking out they're 652 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,159 not seeing things like our eyes are 653 00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,320 seeing things you know we're seeing dots 654 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,600 on the screen we're seeing strange 655 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,120 signatures you know you could you could 656 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,120 make a drone with a really weird ir 657 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,280 signature um you know it wouldn't give 658 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,440 you a bunch of the other observables but 659 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,440 now you understand why we need those 660 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679 observables to be able to separate the 661 00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,600 drones and the you know the prosaic 662 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,120 stuff from 663 00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,960 what we're seeing i've said for a long 664 00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,360 time our uap data is in the anomalous 665 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,360 data so is the data for these weird 666 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,240 drones it's it's not an either or kind 667 00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,640 of thing i i think we're seeing some of 668 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,799 this and brian bender even and 669 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,640 said um 670 00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,559 that we're seeing it for for similar 671 00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,919 reasons because 672 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,080 the proliferation of drones is is 673 00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,600 becoming you know they're super 674 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,279 accessible they're super cheap we're 675 00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,400 going to see some weird things from them 676 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,600 you know i think it could be a really 677 00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,760 positive thing though because for sure 678 00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,360 even let's just say let's go back to 679 00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,840 those 143 cases one was a balloon and 680 00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,559 there was 143 unidentified 681 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,720 imagine that you could see a list and go 682 00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,720 actually we've caught one of those 683 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,159 drones that was over the russell the 684 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,240 omaha it turns out it was a drone okay 685 00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,840 and it was chinese technology and they 686 00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,559 managed to get it and go wow it can move 687 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,440 hypersonic speeds it can come in under 688 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,760 radar it can do this it can do this and 689 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,600 it takes a lot of boxes of of those 690 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,520 observables even though it's human tech 691 00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,279 and a drone one it's got a lot of 692 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,880 questions come up of 693 00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,240 how have they done this you know when 694 00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,840 did they get this how can we replicate 695 00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,200 it but 696 00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,799 it may then clear up 697 00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,279 even half of those other cases but 698 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,960 you're still going to then be left with 699 00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,360 70 even stronger 700 00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,919 you know examples of but it still 701 00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,919 doesn't explain this and it doesn't 702 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,000 explain this and it doesn't explain this 703 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,840 so again it would only strengthen for me 704 00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,080 the fact that a lot of this stuff yes 705 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,840 might still be foreign adversarial 706 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,840 technology but there's a whole load of 707 00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,120 it that isn't 708 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,039 and that's the stuff that we still have 709 00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:57,120 to look at as being that's the stuff we 710 00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,640 want them to go after this is where 711 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,400 we're going to get answers and this is 712 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,720 where our intrigue and interest is 713 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,960 but i still think it'd be pretty cool to 714 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760 see 715 00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,679 one of these drones if it was chinese or 716 00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:10,159 russian or american to do some of these 717 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,600 amazing things because i think that 718 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,360 would be spectacular but it would still 719 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,799 beg the question that 720 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,240 where's that leaping technology came 721 00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,640 from yeah we we'd be talking about you 722 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,000 know some people are going to roll their 723 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,360 eyes at me but i'm going to say a new 724 00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,080 science um it's not new it's based on 725 00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,679 you know the stuff that we know but it's 726 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:27,279 just 727 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,990 yeah i i don't disagree with anything 728 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,919 you said there pretty much 729 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,840 listen uh we're 730 00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,440 we've went longer than i expected 731 00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,640 there's a couple of things i still want 732 00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,279 to talk about and i am strategically 733 00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,279 using the mute button as dan speaks 734 00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,919 folks because i am still far from 100 735 00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,520 but listen at this stuff i definitely 736 00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,880 wanted to talk about i've enjoyed 737 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,840 recording again um dan i want to move on 738 00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,960 have you got anything to add to that 739 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,960 sorry first before we move on yeah just 740 00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,520 just one or two more things um just some 741 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,279 comments from some of the uh the 742 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,120 excellent commentators around uh tim 743 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:04,720 mcmillan brian bender 744 00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,710 didion johnson says that the impression 745 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,799 that he gets from the report is i'm 746 00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,960 quoting him here is that we the congress 747 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,880 have concluded that unidentified aerial 748 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,799 phenomena a serious business and we want 749 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400 you to start treating it serious 750 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,320 business get your act together and get a 751 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,919 grip on this problem and expect to be 752 00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,919 held accountable i think that's a really 753 00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,000 good read of the paper short and sweet 754 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,840 um he goes on to say that there was a 755 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,600 striking degree of quiet consensus 756 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,440 that's developed on the issue you know 757 00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,520 we we thought that it might be spoken 758 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,520 about when we had that statement from 759 00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,679 tim virgin but 760 00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,840 it was no one disagreed with the uap 761 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:45,120 issue this is bipartisan it's incredible 762 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,909 he went on to basically talk about the 763 00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,440 the historic nature of it and kind of 764 00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,039 said that congress has never before 765 00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,200 enacted any statutes to deal explicitly 766 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,799 with the uap 767 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,269 this is this really is a historic moment 768 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,559 you you know if 769 00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,320 if this gets signed by biden i'm gonna 770 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,480 get this framed and pop it on my wall uh 771 00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,720 when i meant to ask that before when can 772 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,279 we expect this to be signed 773 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,240 so now the next steps uh it's got to go 774 00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:17,679 back to the senate and then it will go 775 00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,360 on to biden so around christmas 776 00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,279 i i'd say that would be optimistic but 777 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,919 that's when it was signed last time um 778 00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,760 but that was an emergency bill for the 779 00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,600 kobit stuff so we we might be looking 780 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:31,919 into january um 781 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,080 brian bender on kind of the topic of 782 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,080 the temperature of staff in the pentagon 783 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,000 and how they're responding he said that 784 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,440 he had a conversation last weekend with 785 00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,360 an official from the pentagon about as 786 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,840 seniors they come and and he doesn't 787 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,520 name him but he said that that person 788 00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,360 said this is an issue that is higher 789 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,520 than ever before on the radar and there 790 00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,720 is little room to obfuscate anymore 791 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,840 so 792 00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,520 the secret keepers must be quaking a 793 00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,960 little bit but it looks like they're 794 00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,200 playing along um tim actually has an 795 00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,559 article coming out today from the 796 00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,200 washington examiner uh that kind of goes 797 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,919 into the biggest reason uh that the dod 798 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,240 the greater us government haven't been 799 00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,200 talking about the uap topic um 800 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,399 he thinks it's because of uh how it 801 00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,880 exposes how ineffective um the 802 00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,480 government has become because of all the 803 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:22,240 bureaucracy so i'm looking forward to 804 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:23,440 that article i think there'll be some 805 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,350 awesome good stuff and so we're looking 806 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,279 at then as you see end of the year start 807 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,520 of next year for things to be signed off 808 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,440 i'm sure some of the listeners say that 809 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,840 are more politically tuned in would let 810 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,640 us know exact dates potentially and 811 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,640 from the back of that then first reports 812 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,440 coming around march april 813 00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,000 yeah that i'd say that's about right 814 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,159 birthday present for me for the match 815 00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,600 potentially maybe a little early for 816 00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,919 that but yeah once um once it's signed 817 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,039 i'll uh 818 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,880 i'll i'll put my countdowns in my phone 819 00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,520 and i'll post a couple of key moments 820 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,000 for them as we get awesome but it's been 821 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,600 good work by a lot of people behind the 822 00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,440 scenes and in front of the scenes and do 823 00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,039 you know what like i say you can argue 824 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,399 until the cows come home about the 825 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,279 impact of ufo twitter or someone writing 826 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,679 to a politician or calling them or or 827 00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,880 you know getting involved one of our 828 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,559 listeners got on one of the calls and 829 00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,120 spoke to the senator themselves which is 830 00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,919 great but at the end of the day it's it 831 00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,799 all 832 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,279 has come to this point so it's not done 833 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,720 any damage which is which has been 834 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,720 really good so well done foxes yeah it's 835 00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,960 a little bit of progress 100 i'd say 836 00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,960 that anyone in this community gets to 837 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,919 look at the world a little bit 838 00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,760 differently now they they know that you 839 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,799 can 840 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,720 change the path of the world and affect 841 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,880 chains through just grassroots movements 842 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,720 and talking to people and i i think 843 00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,960 that's magic personally it's a it's a 844 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,799 really nice day to remember that 845 00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,880 speaking of very small changes that 846 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:50,559 could change the world and we're going 847 00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,789 the bubble article by the debrief's head 848 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,559 science writer christopher plane we 849 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,000 interviewed chris a few weeks ago great 850 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,960 guy he'll be back on soon um he he 851 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,880 teased at the time and i spoke to him 852 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,960 off air as well that he had an article 853 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,120 coming and it was going to be it's dr 854 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,760 harold g white who is a former nasty 855 00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,080 employee with a specialism in warp drive 856 00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:20,960 technology and now the article claims 857 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,080 that he was successful in manifesting a 858 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,120 real genuine warp bubble something that 859 00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,760 until now has been the realms of of 860 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,240 science fiction and it still is for many 861 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,840 mainstream scientists very much 862 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,760 theoretical technology or theoretical 863 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,880 science 864 00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,720 it seems to be a starting point the 865 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,840 article points out that they have 866 00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,240 i say created and done i'm talking about 867 00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,679 this differently to what i expected 868 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,919 because before we recorded you mentioned 869 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,240 that you've looked into this online and 870 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,960 it might not be as as cut and dry or as 871 00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,200 black and white as the article states 872 00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,120 and that would be really interesting to 873 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,799 to see it talked about a little bit more 874 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,440 i know chris plain is on the singularity 875 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,600 lab i believe in the next couple of days 876 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,240 with michael matalini tomorrow i'm 877 00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,760 looking forward to it because i'm sure 878 00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,360 chris will give some some more details 879 00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,919 and respond to what 880 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,360 different communities have been saying 881 00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,799 you know 882 00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,880 well listen that's it i always say and i 883 00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,399 mentioned this to you dan that when we 884 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,919 see these articles with a huge big 885 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,480 headline like scientists invent time 886 00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,960 travel and you click on it and it's ifl 887 00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:29,039 science or it's futurism or whatever you 888 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,039 follow for your science news um and you 889 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,720 it's it's almost click bait because you 890 00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,640 click into it and you find out that 891 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:38,720 scientists haven't invented time travel 892 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,480 scientists at cern have found a particle 893 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,600 existed for a split nanosecond that 894 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,760 showed signatures that could be a sign 895 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,840 of something going back in time and it's 896 00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,159 ah so it's not really a delorean going 897 00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,720 88 miles an hour yet it's it's something 898 00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,039 that might be akin to time travel from a 899 00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,200 scientist point of view so it can be a 900 00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,440 bit click-baity however the article by 901 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,360 chris plain it does state quite clearly 902 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,440 that they wanted to point out that they 903 00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,320 have created a real genuine warp bubble 904 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,279 in this lab however dan you you've seen 905 00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,960 not to say you're saying that's wrong 906 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,399 but you've seen some stuff online 907 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,600 haven't you that suggests that that 908 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,360 might not be 100 909 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,880 correct 910 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,080 yeah i'm 911 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,320 i'm seeing the word kind of simulation 912 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,200 modeling kind of thrown around a lot um 913 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,480 and 914 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,000 i'm getting the impression that the 915 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,320 magic in this is the shape that caused 916 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,399 the signatures that we're reading about 917 00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,840 um because that 918 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,640 is kind of like a key to unlocking this 919 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,440 um we've heard about the term 920 00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,240 wave guides before um and that's the 921 00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,399 kind of thing the shape would be 922 00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,440 um 923 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,039 in the article they they say that they 924 00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,960 would you know any potential material 925 00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,159 that they put in there like a ship or 926 00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,240 something like that um they would have 927 00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,480 to you know 3d print it almost on an 928 00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,559 atomic scale and 929 00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,399 i mean we we've heard about material 930 00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,600 like that being found from ufo uh 931 00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,679 encounters and crashes and things like 932 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:05,840 that so there's there's an interesting 933 00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:07,370 cross over there um 934 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,559 [Music] 935 00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,480 not to say that i'm down on it at all i 936 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,320 just it's one of these things that there 937 00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,000 were there were a lot of things in that 938 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,519 article that i kind of had to go okay 939 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,039 i'm gonna go watch a two-hour lecture on 940 00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,600 this phrase now so i understand it um 941 00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,120 so i'm kind of working my way through it 942 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,919 and i wouldn't want to be definitive um 943 00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,720 but 944 00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,039 it you know it 945 00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,360 it reminds me of when you know the first 946 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,799 car was built in like 1769 it was steam 947 00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,880 powered could go like two miles an hour 948 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,640 that if they made a car like that now 949 00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,240 we'd be like cars are rubbish we don't 950 00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,880 want them but that's where that started 951 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,559 um it could only be driven for like 15 952 00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,720 minutes as well it was really funny um 953 00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,519 first computer 42 weighed like seven 954 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,159 eight hundred pounds um solve problems 955 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,559 with what we're talking like 30 956 00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,120 variables so 957 00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,279 again now we have billions of variables 958 00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,320 in our computer's first airplane 1903 um 959 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,240 you know we we know that that couldn't 960 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,880 stay up for a long time but the idea is 961 00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,200 it proved a concept that could be built 962 00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,839 on and i think that's what we have here 963 00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:11,200 i don't believe for a second it was an 964 00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,320 accident though you know we're not 965 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,839 talking penicillin we're talking someone 966 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,040 who's been working in the field of 967 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,960 warfare so like about oh i accidentally 968 00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,800 did this and work sounds to me like he 969 00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,960 was working on it on the side 970 00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639 and you know what it's still a reason to 971 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,639 get excited this is the kind of sciency 972 00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,760 aspect of 973 00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,079 of this potential technology that we 974 00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,200 love and and we appreciate and depending 975 00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,440 where you sit on the ufo conspiracy 976 00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,359 scale you might be screaming just now 977 00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,960 that we've already got this technology 978 00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:39,599 they can do this etc etc but this would 979 00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,079 be on up on a public level where this is 980 00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,839 potentially going to get discovered and 981 00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,839 discussed and that's very different to 982 00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,359 what may or may not be going on behind 983 00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,000 the scenes at boeing or lockheed martin 984 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,079 already well i mean we're talking darpa 985 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,720 here as well and it's you know we barely 986 00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,960 hear a peep out of they're mentioning 987 00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,400 kind of so many conspiracy theories 988 00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,760 because they're very secretive you know 989 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,880 it's a god in the gaps type thing but um 990 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,960 yeah this work was done at darpa so i'm 991 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,359 sure if it's gone further now you know 992 00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,480 there are some people down in the 993 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,079 basement working on the very thing that 994 00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,240 was just reported on 995 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:14,240 yeah exciting news though and i look 996 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,520 forward to hearing chris playing talk 997 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,800 about it a little bit more with michael 998 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,560 mahoney and co 999 00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,560 and folks just to finish up our last 1000 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,320 little bit of news one that's one of 1001 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,920 those raises an eyebrow and it's go on 1002 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:27,520 but we always end up getting 1003 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,440 disappointed the chinese rover u2 1004 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,000 has taken a picture and 1005 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,240 sent back what looks like an object on 1006 00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,990 it's it looks like a cube shaped 1007 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,359 structure 1008 00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:46,800 it's pretty pixelated even with the zoom 1009 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,599 let me just cough and 1010 00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:51,760 there we go never happened even with the 1011 00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,880 zoom uh you can see that there's 1012 00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,280 something in the distance i have seen a 1013 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,960 few different reports but it looks like 1014 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,280 it's at a distance of 80 meters 1015 00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,200 um that i've seen people say 18 miles 1016 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,520 and such but now it's 80 meters away i 1017 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,119 believe um 1018 00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,119 the zoom makes it look like two 1019 00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,440 structures potentially but again that 1020 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,040 could just be an optical illusion the 1021 00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,000 quality of the camera um not sound pure 1022 00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,680 skeptic here but that that is just a 1023 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,280 fact because of what we're looking at 1024 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,280 and the quality of the equipment 1025 00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,200 the the rover itself is going in for a 1026 00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,079 closer look it will take um two to three 1027 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,440 lunar days which is around 60 to 90 1028 00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,480 days here so we're looking at uh around 1029 00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,119 probably march oh birthday time again so 1030 00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:37,520 um we could be getting a report on ufos 1031 00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,800 and uh a really good look at an up-close 1032 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,520 house on the moon but i've seen all 1033 00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,119 different types of things it could be 1034 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,079 from just optical illusion uh 1035 00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,280 it definitely appears that some things 1036 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560 they are to uh just some rocks it could 1037 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,560 just be that something's been shaped by 1038 00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:57,119 a an impact of a meteor or an asteroid 1039 00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,079 impact 1040 00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,440 or it could be something a little more 1041 00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,760 exotic dan where are you sitting on this 1042 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,800 one 1043 00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,800 it went when i saw it reported on it 1044 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,240 reminded me of um 1045 00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,160 did you see the netflix shows uh space 1046 00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,359 force 1047 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,599 yes where they you just had the two 1048 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,880 countries on the moon and they didn't 1049 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,160 know that each other was there and then 1050 00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,760 they were discovering each other and i i 1051 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,119 just went when i read the report i 1052 00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,400 thought how hilarious would it be if 1053 00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,839 america announced that they'd found a 1054 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,359 structure and they were investigating it 1055 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,800 and it was rolling towards them and 1056 00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,000 actually they'd just been looking at 1057 00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,839 each other the whole time 1058 00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,440 do you know what slightly off topic but 1059 00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,960 that we we touched on it at the time 1060 00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,119 it's such an underrated show if you 1061 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,040 tried space force and gave up after a 1062 00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,440 few episodes just go back and watch the 1063 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,720 full series 1064 00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,880 it gets quite decent 1065 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,359 yeah it's a lot of fun and there i think 1066 00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,680 there is a lot to that show that is far 1067 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,599 more realistic than we could it's 1068 00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,440 probably terrifying how 1069 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,040 some of the incompetence that you laugh 1070 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,160 at is is probably pretty spot-on yeah 1071 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,160 that's how things work it's probably the 1072 00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,760 comedic version of the article that 1073 00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,440 tim's gonna bring out today you know 1074 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,079 yeah potentially yeah um but yeah so 1075 00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,680 it's interesting 1076 00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:02,839 it's one of 1077 00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,640 those slightly left field disclosures we 1078 00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,720 always talk about as a potential that we 1079 00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,560 just get a picture of something and what 1080 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,079 if the chinese do come out and say look 1081 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,760 we've found found a structure on the 1082 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,520 moon there's no there's no one there 1083 00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,960 there's nothing in it there's no 1084 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,960 readings we can get but this is this has 1085 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:20,240 been built 1086 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,040 and 1087 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,960 not by us 1088 00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,720 that could be a huge conversation 1089 00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,599 starter and maybe well i i say maybe i 1090 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,800 shouldn't say that it's just 1091 00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,400 coincidental the timing is going to be 1092 00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,920 around that first ufo uap report as well 1093 00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,359 from the us government 1094 00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,160 but it looks like 2022 it's got some 1095 00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,000 interesting things to look at straight 1096 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,400 off the bat doesn't it dad yeah 100 1097 00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,640 i feel like this is all snowballing and 1098 00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,560 and just different angles keep coming 1099 00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:48,960 into it you know um you know we're not 1100 00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,599 just talking when we speak about 1101 00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,040 other forms of intelligent life we're 1102 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,720 not just talking about ufos anymore 1103 00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,560 we're talking about how we define the 1104 00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,960 life around us that's complex now you 1105 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,359 know a dog's intelligent cats squids you 1106 00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,040 know all that kind of stuff and we're 1107 00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,640 realizing we live in this intelligent 1108 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,200 living breathing ecosystem um 1109 00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,200 as we're looking out into the cosmos and 1110 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,040 finding that you know we're part of a 1111 00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,280 larger system again it's a it's a real 1112 00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,040 interesting time 1113 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,520 absolutely uh next up folks i have ross 1114 00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,400 coulthart on the show we have a ton of 1115 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,480 listener questions i'll be sticking 1116 00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,720 those in a document for dan to do a do 1117 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,040 me a favor and start sifting through 1118 00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,800 we've got loads from last time and we've 1119 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,800 got loads and loads sent over again this 1120 00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,880 time as well well over 100 in just the 1121 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,200 last couple of weeks but given how well 1122 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,480 i've been i've just been sticking them 1123 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,280 in a folder and forgetting about it um 1124 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,280 so that will be coming up soon and of 1125 00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,480 course the interviews with diana 1126 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,800 basilica mary rodwell and others have 1127 00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,640 been rescheduled for for further weeks 1128 00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,079 down the line as well but a lot of 1129 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,480 content still to come this month we've 1130 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,839 got a round table that we're in the 1131 00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,440 planning stages of as well that would 1132 00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,960 have been arranged already had i not 1133 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,880 been out last week but that'll be one to 1134 00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:59,040 look forward to and it'll be some some 1135 00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,400 folks speaking about something that's 1136 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,000 not been been talked about really 1137 00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,920 publicly too much yet is that fair to 1138 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,520 say then yeah 1139 00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,960 yeah yeah 1140 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,160 and you'll you'll know who they are as 1141 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,680 well so i'm looking forward to having 1142 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,680 that discussion and asking a few 1143 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,040 questions because i'm sure when i put 1144 00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,560 out there you will all have a lot of 1145 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,560 questions for them as well that'll be 1146 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,640 really interesting but um thanks to 1147 00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,160 everyone who's been patient i look 1148 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,160 forward to getting back to recording 1149 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,880 a more regular schedule probably still a 1150 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,280 week away from that to be honest but i'm 1151 00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,880 getting there and this has been fun to 1152 00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,640 do but i've probably exhausted all my 1153 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,960 energy now for the day adjusting doing 1154 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,800 this folks so again dan thanks for the 1155 00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,720 time thank you it's been an absolute 1156 00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,400 pleasure i've missed you man 1157 00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:40,400 awesome and um dan oh don't leave the 1158 00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,319 studio yet then 1159 00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,720 that's just gone 1160 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,400 finishes before the end of the show but 1161 00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,000 again thank you very much folks and 1162 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,560 speak to you soon that is all for this 1163 00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,240 week's show thank you very 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[Music] 1178 00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:02,390 i can't imagine how could've been any 1179 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:21,349 [Music] 1180 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:22,630 there was something on my head and 1181 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,760 everything was weird and everything was 1182 00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:27,040 ready they thought this was noise they 1183 00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,150 [Music] 1184 00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,319 if you really want to know who i think 1185 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,119 it's you and me and us and me and him 1186 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:49,990 and her and she's 1187 00:43:24,120 --> 00:42:59,750 [Music] 1188 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:24,130 what's up 1189 00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,160 [Music] 1190 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:32,000 it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a 1191 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:52,630 [Music] 1192 00:44:03,670 --> 00:43:54,600 it's